Vogue Williams and Spencer Matthews discussed hypothetical divorce

On her My Therapist Ghosted Me podcast, Williams told co-host Joanne McNally she had assured Matthews she would not make it difficult for him to see the children if they broke up. “They are the ones that miss out on everything,” she said, explaining why she would support shared access.

Williams, 41, and Matthews, 38, have four children: Theodore, eight, Gigi, six, Otto, four, and Remy, 13 months. Williams said she had told her husband he could not claim McNally, Alexander Wilson or her cousin in a separation. She then jokingly warned McNally not to meet Matthews behind her back. Williams told listeners: “No, we are not getting divorced. Jesus, do not write about it, joke or otherwise!”

The exchange drew a cautionary response from one listener on social media, who argued that couples should have a firm legal plan because a separation could lead to court proceedings. Williams and Matthews were first linked in early 2017 while filming Channel 4’s The Jump in Austria. They married at Glen Affric Lodge in Scotland in June 2018, when Williams was seven months pregnant with Theodore, and held a second celebration for 80 friends in September 2019.

The conversation comes after Matthews said the couple had been sleeping in separate bedrooms since Remy’s arrival last September. On the NewlyParents podcast, he said Williams and the baby slept in the main bedroom while he shared the spare room with their sons. He told host Jamie Laing that he did not like sleeping apart from Williams and that the arrangement felt “a bit fractured.” The couple have also faced reports of work-related tensions and have joked about the pressures of four young children, a house move and renovation work.